Official Cross Country State Rankings, Post Flrunners

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Girls State Rankings, by Classification:

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1A Girls Rankings

  By: Nathan Means, Mount Dora Bible School, nathan.means@chbs.org

Team Rankings:

Commentary: The view has become MUCH clearer now!  Holy Trinity and Oak Hall were neck and neck at Great American.  Providence is still rock solid with a strong showing at Bale-n-Trail.  Maclay moves up a hair after a great run at FSU.  Trinity Prep continues to move up with a win at flrunners 12's Invitational race and most of the rest ran there, too, for outstanding head-to-head comparisons.  Lakeland Christian is the biggest mover, entering the polls at #7.  Pope John Paul II and First Academy also joined the top ranks.
 
  Team Name, Region (Prev.)  Comments:
1. Holy Trinity Academy, R3 (2) 19:56 average at Great American, edged out Oak Hall by 1 point 
2. Oak Hall School, R1 (1) 19:54 average at Great American, but lost to Holy Trinity by 1 point
3. Providence School, R1 (3) 20:19 average at Bale-n-Trail, 1:15 split on PR's #1-5
4. Maclay School, R1 (5) 20:33 average at FSU for 6th
5. Trinity Prep, R2 (8) 20:39 average to Win flrunners 12 Invitational race
6. Northside Christian, R3 (10) 20:49 average for 13th in flrunners 12 Race of Champions
7. Lakeland Christian, R3 (NR) 21:12 average for 15th in flrunners 12 Invitational race
8. Community School of Naples, R3 (4) 21:25 average for 3rd in North Port XC Invitational
9. Westminster Academy, R4 (7) 21:26 average to Win flrunners 12 Small School race
10. Seffner Christian, R2 (11) 21:47 average for 3rd in Don Bishop Invitational
11. Pope John Paul II, R4 (NR) 21:54 average for 17th in flrunners 12 Invitational race
12. Shorecrest Prep, R3 (12) 22:02 average for 2nd in flrunners 12 Small School race
13. First Academy (Orlando), R2 (NR) 22:22 average for 5th in flrunners 12 Small School race
14. Circle Christian, R2 (9) 22:30 average for 25th in flrunners 12 Invitational race
15. Benjamin School, R4 (6) 22:43 average for 8th at Fleet Feet Invitational
 

Individual Rankings: 

Commentary: We have a very interesting development here…  Candiano takes the lead, by a hair.  Last week I put Wollrath and Seymour as 1a and 1b because they won't face each other until state and they were close, but now I'm putting Candiano and Wollrath in the same 1a/1b situation because their times were within a second of each other, though on different courses.  Some of last week's new entries got pushed out as the veterans started finding their grooves.  You can also see why the top teams are on top - many of their girls are in here!
 
  Athlete Name, Grade – Team (Prev.)  Time, Comments:
1a. Sarah Candiano, 9 - Evangelical Christian School (4) 17:51 @ flrunners 12 Race of Champions for 4th
1b. Julie Wollrath, 9 - Holy Trinity Academy (1a) 17:51 @ Great American Race of Champions for 5th
3. Bryce Seymour, 11 - Circle Christian School (1b) 17:58 @ flrunners 12 Race of Champions for 5th
4. Katelyn Greenleaf, 12 - Northside Christian (9) 18:25 @ flrunners 12 Race of Champions for 8th
5. Stefanie Kurgatt, 11 - Maclay School (6) 18:41 @ FSU Seminole Invitational
6. Brittney Olinger, 10 - Oak Hall School (3) 18:42 @ Great American Race of Champions
7. Kelly Fahey, 11 - Trinity Prep (5) 18:56 @ flrunners 12 Invitational race
8. Mallory White, 11 - Lakeland Christian (20) 19:00 @ flrunners 12 Invitational race
9. Danielle Van Liere, 8 - Providence School (8) 19:07 @ Bob Hans Invitational
10. Lauren Perry, 7 - Oak Hall School (7) 19:07 @ Great American Race of Champions
11. Sabrina Whiting, 10 - Seffner Christian Academy HS (17) 19:20 @ Don Bishop Invitational
12. Denae Chapman, 8 - Circle Christian School (14) 19:26 @ flrunners 12 Invitational race
13. Mackenzie Dummer, 11 - Holy Trinity Academy (11) 19:29 @ Great American Race of Champions
14. Adair Lyden, 8 - Westminster Academy (10) 19:37 @ Spanish River Invitational
15. Kristin Sweeney, 11 - Maclay School (19) 19:39 @ FSU Seminole Invitational
16. Claire Snyder, 10 - Tampa Prep (NR) 19:43 @ Seffner Christian Invitational
17. Rebecca Eaves, 12 - Lakeland Christian (NR) 19:47 @ flrunners 12 Invitational race
18. Emily Stallings, 10 - Providence School (25) 19:48 @ Bail-n-Trail
19. Brianna Wahy, 11 - Holy Trinity Academy (16) 19:49 @ FSU Seminole Invitational
20 Lauren Gillespy, 12 - Father Lopez Catholic HS (18) 19:50 @ flrunners 12 Open race
21. Elsa Jaworski, 9 - Trinity Prep (NR) 19:51 @ flrunners 12 Invitational race
22. Emily Chapman, 9 - Brevard HEAT (NR) 20:00 @ flrunners 12 Open race
23. Camille Jackson, 11 - Providence School (21) 20:03 @ Bail-n-Trail
24. Ciara Hopkins, 9 - Montverde Academy (NR) 20:07 @ flrunners 12 Open race
25. Danielle Dunn, 11 - Providence School (NR) 20:10 @ Bail-n-Trail

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2A Girls Rankings

  By: Gerry Spring, Lake Highland Prep, gspring@lhps.org

Team Rankings:

Commentary:  What a crazy couple of weeks! Every meet I have been to (or my team has run in)- has been beset by issues - Déjà vu, Katie Caples and now the timing issues at small school Fl runners race- I must be a jinx. Things are shaping up quickly and I look for a strong showing for 2A teams at Pre State. 
 
  Team Name    Comments:
1. Cocoa Beach   Strong showing the past two weeks shoots them to the top - Can they stay there? 
2. Bishop Kenny   Computer may say other wise but the coach in me sees an awesome 1-5 split that may be tough to beat
3. Bolles   Always off the radar early but don’t count them out yet.
4. American Heritage   Good results last week - lets hope they face the top 3 head to head soon.
5. Pine Crest   Solid group - got to see them in person on Friday - good group.
6. Carrollton   Everyone I talk to from the south says watch out for this group - okay I will!
7. Lincoln Park   Miss Hensley leads her team into the mix. Can they stay here?
8. Episcopal   Tough team to read yet for me - but solid.
9. Bishop Moore   Solid results pop them into the top ten.
10. Ransom Everglades   Good team effort all season.
11. Immokalee   Saw them this past weekend - Congrats on a good result!
12. Gulf HS   Holds on to 12 spot - if 2-5 keep improving watch out!
13. Titusville    Team continues to improve! 
14. Crystal River   Congrats to CR for cracking the top 15 - good results the past few weeks.
15. Pensacola Catholic   Another team we don’t see much in Central Florida - could be better than 15.
 

Individual Rankings: 

  Athlete Name – Team (Prev.)  Time, Comments:
1. Shelby Davidson - Cocoa Beach (1) Solid races at UF (big win) and fast result at ROC keeps her at the top.
2. Kari Grippo - Gulf   Closing the gap on the leader - will they face each other at Pre state?
3. Ashley Heitling - Mt Dora   Continues to improve - will face Grippo at regions
4. Joanna Mccoy - Gulliver   Movin on up - great results this past weekend
5. Daesha Rogers - Am Heritage   Solid results this past weekend - team is approving too.
6. MacKenzie Wilson - Episcopal   Back on track after win at Friday Flrunners
7. Savanna Gornisiewicz- P Crest   Strong showing at Fl runners
8. Rachelle Alexander - Am Heritage   Strong 1-2 punch up front for AH
9. Claire Castillo - Titusville   Cracks the top 10 with another good result
10. Kaysi Roberts - West Fl tech   Not much coverage from Panhandle area - great results early
11. Maleia Storm - C Beach   Helps lead a resurgence of the Beach towards the top!
12. Julia DeYoung - Robinson   19 33 result puts her on the page!
13. Macey Kacerowski BK   Still leads team - strong showing at Bartram Trail
14. Kelly Hensley - Lincoln Park   Kelly cracks top 15 this week
15. Ella Wurth - Pin Crest   Continues a  strong season - 
16. Sarah J Jones - Bolles   Strong comeback for Sarah and her team this week
17. Rachel Rice - Bolles   See above
18. Lilly Arnold - Bolles   Can you say packe running?
19. Christine Griggs- Episcopal    Good results this past week
20 Lauren Archer  RE   Ran well at Fl runners
21. Colleen Doherty AHN   Did not run this week - I think she will pop back in very soon

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3A Girls Rankings

  By: Andy Holmes, Seffner Christian Academy, aholmes@scacrusaders.com

Team Rankings:

Commentary: What an incredible job athletes and their coaches are doing this year to improve our sport. Outstanding team and individual performances this past weekend. Generally cooler weather across the state was welcomed by runners leading to all kinds of record-setting times. We now look ahead to Pre-State for the "Clash of the Titans" in 3A Girls between Chiles, Estero, and Lakewood Ranch. I am projecting Chiles to claim a slim victory over Estero, with Lakewood Ranch not too far behind. 
 
  Team Name, Region (Prev.)  Comments:
1. Chiles, 1 (1) 18:37; Arguably the best team performance so far this year. Team claims first place at Jesse Owens Classic in Alabama, placing 3 in the top 5
2. Estero, 3 (2) 18:53; Take the team title at flrunners ROC, placing 4 in the top 20; They will present Chiles wih their greatest test to date at Pre-State
3. Lakewood Ranch, 3 (3) 19:12; 3rd place behind Estero and Ferguson flrunners ROC; produce individual champion Ortiz in race and 3 in the top 15
4. Creekside, 1 (4) 19:29; Win Bale 'n Trail Invite with 4 of the top 7 and :27 split between #1 and #4 runners
5. Fort Walton Beach, 1 (5) 19:56; Win Gulf Coast Stampede 20 points ahead of hard-charging Niceville; place 5 in the top 30, including champion Chastain
6. Niceville, 1 (6) 20:12; Runner-up to FWB at Gulf Coast Stampede; will look to narrow the gap with rival FWB in the coming weeks
7. St. Cloud, 2 (11) 21:02; Race in the heat on Friday at flrunners in Large School division, and win with just a :57 #1-#5 split
8. Fort Myers, 3 (9) 21:22; Take 5th in Invitational division of flrunners without Petrik and Edwards, who race as individuals in ROC
9. Gulf Coast, 3 (7) Take the week off from racing to get ready for Pre-State, where there will race in Elite Division
10. Naples, 3 (NR) Accidently left off the original list. Sorry!
11. Wiregrass Ranch, 2 (8) 20:42; Runner-up to Sarasota Riverview at LOL Invite on fairly tough course; place 5 in the top 30 of competitive meet
12. Bartram Trail, 1 (NR) 20:46; Join the team rankings with solid 6th place finish at home meet
13. Nease, 1 (15) 20:52; Just behind Bartram Trail, finishing 8th; have made a nice transition to 3A
14. Osceola, 3 (10) 21:02; Led by Irwin's top 15 finish at flrunners ROC, still getting better after last year's run to state
15. Stanton Prep, 1 (NR) 21:04; Could be duking it out with Nease for final state spot with Nease, finished just behind them at Bale 'n Trail in 9th place
16. Naples, 3 (13) 21:05; Place a solid 3rd in the invitational division of flrunners with key performances from Klopf and Hogrefe
  Watch List: Steinbrenner, Charlotte, Ridgeview, Choctawhatchee
 

Individual Rankings: 

Commentary: Some of the best times of the season so far have come out of 3A Girls, and last weekend was no different. 3 Girls went well under 18 minutes, and about 15 going under 19 minutes. Looking forward to some great individual battles at Pre-State next weekend
 
  Athlete Name, Grade – Team (Prev.)  Time, Comments:
1. Lily Williams, 12 Chiles (1) 17:29; State- leading female time; wins Jesse Owens Classic in impressive fashion, course record, over Alabama state champion Carlos
2. Olivia Ortiz, 11 Lakewood Ranch (2) 17:35; Wins flrunners ROC, dipping under 18 for the first time, and defeating the state's best
3. Vanessa Valentine, 12 Melbourne (4) 17:43; Takes 5th at Great American ahead of Wollrath in a performance that was not talked about as much, but equally impressive
4. Carly Thomas, 12 Chiles (5) 18:02; 4th at Jesse Owens Classic- could go under 18 at Pre-State
5. Anne-Marie Blaney, 12 Belleview (8) 18:28; 2nd to Grippo on slower course at LOL Invite
6. Kacy Smith, 11 Estero (3) 18:09; 6th place finish at flrunners ROC to maintain her status among the state's elite
7. Rachel Givens, 11 Chiles (6) 18:18; 5th at Jesse Owens Classic behind Thomas to help team place 3 in top 5
8. Katy G. Solis, 11 Estero (9) 18:26; Top 10 finish at flrunners ROC and moves closer to teamate Smith
9. Ivy Chastain, 11 Fort Walton Beach (11) 18:26; Wins Gulf Coast Stampede by 15 seconds, leading team to 1st place finish
10. Nikita Shah, 11 Wiregrass Ranch (13) 18:59; Takes 3rd at LOL Invite in very competitive race
11. Marsel Mosley, 11 Niceville (10) 18:46; 3rd at Gulf Coast Stampede to lead team to runner-up finish
12. Hannah Loder, 11 Matanzas (NR) 18:47; Makes a huge splash into the rankings with runner-up finish to Ponder at Bale 'n Trail
13. Bethany Jenkins, 10 Estero (16) 18:47; 12th place at flrunners ROC as 3rd finisher for Estero
14. Caroline Barlow, 10 Gulf Coast (14) Off from racing last week and will be off from racing this week in preparation for Pre-State
15. Elizabeth Harper, 11 Merritt Island (NR) 18:51; Breakout performance at flrunners ROC with top 15 finish among some great runners
16. Alexis Irwin, 12 Osceola (12) 18:53; Just behind Harper to also place in the top 15
17. Kaitlin Rodriguez, 12 Creekside (7) 18:55; 3rd place at Bale 'n Trail, and helps team to title, and place 4 in the top 7
18. Kristin Zarrella, 11 Lakewood Ranch (19) 18:56; 15th place at flrunners ROC and 2nd finisher for LWR
19. Rachel Petrik, 12 Fort Myers (17) 18:57; Just behind Zarella, competes as an individual along with Edwards at flrunners ROC
20 Devin McDermott, 12 Lakewood Ranch (15) 19:00; 19th at flrunners ROC, as LWR places 3 in top 20
21. Lauren Rodriguez, 12 Creekside (NR) 19:08; Breaks into rankings with 4th place finish behind Kaitlin at Bale 'n Trail
22. Maria Frank, 11 Estero (24) 19:13; finishes 4th among Estero runners at flrunners ROC
23. Araceli Leon, 10 South Fort Myers (18) 19:42; Runs by herslef and wins Triton Invite by more than 30 seconds
24. Shannon Morris, 12 Creekside (NR) 19:21; Takes 6th at Bale 'n Trail
25. Lauren Garris, 11 Steinbrenner (22) 19:42; 5th a LOL Invite against solid field of competitors

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4A Girls Rankings

  By: Ryan Raposo, John A. Ferguson HS - rraposo@dadeschools.net

Team Rankings:

Commentary: Almost a month into the cross country season and things are heating up rapidly wth many shake-ups in the top ten this week! Some teams have shown their strength, others are starting to feel the strain of the season, and there's plenty of competition in the good 'ol region of death like always! So before I break down the team rankings, let me express how team averages only play a small role in the rankings process (particularly because I'm one of the most critical course adjusters anyone's ever met. I'm the guy who walks around meets with a measuring wheel for fun). So certain courses like Chain of Lakes (Flrunners), which has tremendous weather conditions on top of it, and Great American, will ALWAYS yield ridiculously fast times when compared to UF and FSU, and even more so when compared to Fleet Feet or Larry & Penny in Miami (Falcons Invite). So please take all of that into consideration when looking at both the team and individual rankings for this week. Now enough of my jabbering, here are the rankings! P.S.- If I missed anything, like a team running without one of their top 5 this weekend, please let me know!
 
  Team Name, Region (Prev.)  Comments:
T-1. Ferguson, 4 (T-4) 19:19 @ Flrunners ROC, 2nd place- After a tremendous performance at Flrunners, the Falcons have jumped their way to the #1 slot in 4A. The two things separating them from everyone else in the state right now is their fast spread and their depth. As of right now, Ferguson can put seven girls inside most other team's 4th or 5th runner, and that's a huge advantage when it comes to scoring.
T-1. Plant, 2 (1) 19:50 @ FSU Invitational, 2nd place- Before everyone jumps on the Ferguson bandwagon, people need to quickly remember the Plant girls. Besides handily beating the Falcons at Deja Vu, this defending state team put together one heck of a performance at FSU, and they're a strong pack team in their own right. So assuming Flrunners runs about 30 seconds fast, Plant holds true to their prior ranking staying at #1.
3. Hagerty, 1 (T-2) 19:51 @ Flrunners ROC, 4th place- The Hagerty girls keep getting stronger, rising to the challenge, but even with their great performance at Flrunners they've shifted to 3rd. Unforunately, that's the kind of year it's going to be in 4A. If you want to make the top five, you need to keep progressing from week to week and hope no one progresses more than you did. But they're definitely knocking on that podium position door.
4. Spruce Creek, 1 (7) 20:00 @ Flrunners ROC, 6th place (minus one runner)- Just a notch behind the Huskies, these Hawks have worked their way up to the top five and I know that's where they want to stay! Hard work and a strong spread is also keeping this team near the top and it's giving them the advantage over the teams directly underneath them. Look for Spruce Creek to continue getting stronger.
T-5. Olympia, 1 (T-2) 19:43 @ Great American ROC, 14th place- Thanks to a tremendous 1-2 punch, the Titans are working with a skewed team average, but they're proving each week why they are possibly in the title hunt. Right now the only thing holding them back is a huge spread, particularly between runners 4 and 5 and if they can't close that two minute gap, it'll be tought to stay in the top five.
T-5. Dr. Phillips, 1 (9) 19:40 @ Flrunners ROC, 5th place- Thanks to a strong Bridget Blake, these Panthers are dealing with the same problem that Olympia has; a skewed average and a huge spread. Now although their larger spread is a bit larger, Dr. Phillips still has a better 5th girl than Olympia, so it's really too close to separate these two teams that are so comparable.
7. St. Thomas Aquinas, 3 (T-4) 20:34 @ UF Mountain Dew, 3rd place (without #1)- If there is any team out there that is ridiculously under-ranked, it's St. Thomas. Unfortunately their #1, Christina Kalis, injured her hip at Spanish River and hasn't been running competitively since. Because of this, their team has dropped in the rankings. But believe me, once she's back on track, there is no reason why STA couldn't be ranked first in 4A.
8. Lourdes Academy, 4 (6) 20:59 @ Fleet Feet, 1st place- Another very under-ranked team is Lourdes. This team is loaded with talent, but just hasn't been running up to par lately. A couple of minor injuries have set back the Bobcats a notch, but once they piece everything together, this is definitely a top five team with podium potential waiting to happen.
9. Lake Mary, 1 (NR) 20:26 @ Flrunners ROC, 11th place- Making a big jump into the rankings, Lake Mary, like many Region 1 teams, finds themselves in that hard concept to grasp position: that although they might be top 10-12 in the state, their region might be so tough that they end up stuck at home. But so far, they're running very well, and currently find themselves in the top 10. So keep it up girls!
10. Sarasota Riverview, 2 (8) 20:32 @ Land O Lakes, 1st place- Picking up a solid win at Land O Lakes, the Rams need to keep working on closing their pack and slowly keep dropping their team average down. The competition has gotten extremely tough for the top ten this year in 4A, and they'll need to run their hardest to stay where they are.
11. Mandarin, 1 (NR) 20:41 @ Bale-n-Trail, 7th place- These Mustangs are feeling the same Region 1 pressures that Lake Mary is feeling, but with a little bit of relief now that they're back in the rankings. Keep working hard to stay here ladies! There are plenty of teams that are waiting for the right opportunity to move on up!
12. St. Petersburg, 2 (12) 21:14 @ Flrunners Invitational, 12th place
13. Freedom (Tampa), 2 (13) 21:35 @ Don Bishop, 1st place
14. Wharton 2 (T-15) 21:28 @ Flrunners Invitational, 6th place
15. Cypress Bay, 3 (16) 21:33 @ Flrunners Invitational, 14th place
16. Dwyer, 3 (18) 21:34 @ Flrunners Invitational, 10th place
17. Palm Harbor University, 2 (14) 22:18 @ UF Mountain Dew, 19th place
18. Park Vista, 3 (NR) 22:47 @ Fleet Feet, 6th place
19. Spanish River, 3 (17) 22:00 @ Flrunners Invitational, 20th place
20. South Dade, 4 (19) 23:02 @ Falcons Invitational, 4th place
21. Coral Reef, 4 (22) 22:01 @ Flrunners Invtational, 23rd place (minus #2 runner)
22. Jupiter, 3 (20) 22:48 @ Fleet Feet, 10th place
23. Varela, 4 (23) 23:37 @ Falcons Invitational, 6th place
24. Sunset, 4 (24) 23:12 @ Flrunners Invitational, 30th place
       
  Upcoming Teams:    
  Lyman, 1 (NR) 20:41 @ Flrunners ROC, 16th place
  Colonial, 1 (NR) 20:54 @ Great American Red, 8th place
  Winter Park, 1 (NR) 20:59 @ Flrunners Invitational, 4th place (minus two runners)
  Bloomingdale, 2 (NR) 21:48 @ Flrunners Inviational, 18th place
       
  Slipped from Rankings:    
  Boone, 1 (10) 21:09 @ Flrunners Large Schools, 5th place
  Oviedo, 1 (11) 21:19 @ Flrunners Large Schools, 3rd place
  Newsome, 2 (T-15) 22:11 @ Land O Lakes, 11th place
  Wellington, 3 (21)  
       
  Virtual State Meet:    
  http://fl.milesplit.com/meets/virtual/2011/cc/hs/f/results?teams=6146,109,1267,33,38,535,116,48,126,3774,119,122,142,641,2537,57,3786,139,4142,140,137,81,536,635,&returners=0
 

Individual Rankings

Commentary: For the individual rankings most of it was pretty easy to piece together because most of the athletes ran at Flrunners, but for athletes at other meets, there were some time adjustments due to the variety of courses. Please read the commentary section for the team rankings to understand a little bit more about how I rank the way I do. Now let's get to it!
 
  Athlete Name, Grade – Team (Prev.)  Time, Comments:
1. Bridget Blake, 11 - Dr. Phillips (1) 17:42 @ Flrunners
2. Emily Headley, 9 - Olympia (3) 18:28 @ Great American
3. Amy Ankli, 11 - Hagerty (6) 18:39 @ Flrunners
4. Mary Kate Ponder, 12 - Mandarin (2) 18:40 @ Bale-n-Trail
5. Kaitlyn Campo, 11 - Olympia (5) 18:49 @ Great American
6. Alex Eaton, 10 - St. Petersburg (4) 18:50 @ Flrunners
7. Kara Halfaker, 12 - Plant (7) 19:21 @ FSU Invite
8. Amber Johnson, 11 - Dr. Phillips (10) 18:57 @ Flrunners
9. Lauren Gonzalez, 12 - Ferguson (16) 19:01 @ Flrunners
10. Kaley Schmick, 9 - Cypress Creek (11) 19:11 @ Flrunners
11. Aylwyn Hernandez, 9 - Ferguson (50) 19:12 @ Flrunners
12. Julia Rodriguez, 11 - Plant (24) 19:42 @ FSU Invite
13. Charlotte Stephens, 10 - Winter Park (8) 19:18 @ Flrunners
14. Alex Payne, 11 - St. Thomas (18) 19:49 @ Mountain Dew
15. Natalie Concepcion, 12 - Ferguson (46) 19:21 @ Flrunners
16. Taylor Watson, 9 - Olympia (NR) 19:21 @ Great American
17. Meagan Schloss, 9 - St. Thomas (26) 19:51 @ Mountain Dew
18. Caroline Gibson, 11 - Plant (31) 19:53 @ FSU Invite
19. Annais Pena, 12 - Dr. Phillips (30) 19:24 @ Flrunners
20 Lauren Gavulic, 9 - Ferguson (32) 19:28 @ Flrunners
21. Abigal Hagan, 10 - Sarasota Riverview (22) 19:29 @ Land O Lakes
22. Emily Perkinson, 11 - Colonial (23) 19:30 @ Great American
23. Isabelle Amaro, 11 - West Broward (51) 19:30 @ Flrunners
24. Lourdes Brea, 10 - Lourdes (29) 20:15 @ Fleet Feet
25. Samantha Abbott, 11 - Lake Mary (27) 19:33 @ Flrunners
26. Emily Hernandez, 10 - Ferguson (45) 19:34 @ Flrunners
27. Stephanie De la Guarda, 10 - Ferguson (19) 19:35 @ Flrunners
28. Kaitlyn Kelly, 12 - Spruce Creek (21) 19:35 @ Flrunners
29. Katherine Ralston, 11 - Plant (12) 20:05 @ FSU Invite
30. Regan Farrow, 11 - Lake Howell (13) 19:36 @ Flrunners
31. Jocelin Adona, 12 - Spruce Creek (39) 19:42 @ Flrunners
32. Heather Classe, 11 - Boone (9) 19:45 @ Flrunners
33. Anna Montgomery, 10 - Plant (54) 20:19 @ FSU Invite
34. Katrina Santiago, 10 - Ferguson (42) 19:50 @ Flrunners
35. Victoria Villarnovo, 12 - Lourdes (20) 20:37 @ Fleet Feet
36. Alyssa Hamel, 12 - Olympia (34) 19:54 @ Great American
37. Cristina Figueras, 10 - Lourdes (NR) 20:39 @ Falcons Invite
38. Haley Albers, 10 - Hagerty (35) 19:56 @ Flrunners
39. Morgan Morris, 10 - Winter Park (NR) 20:00 @ Flrunners
40. Tori Ehrhardt, 12 - Spruce Creek (14) 20:01 @ Flrunners
41. Sarah Carrion, 10 - Lake Mary (38) 20:05 @ Flrunners
42. Brenna Johnson, 10 - Hagerty (NR) 20:07 @ Flrunners
43. Julie Roggeman, 11 - Bloomingdale (NR) 20:09 @ Flrunners
44. Katherine MacNeal, 10 - Cypress Bay (47) 20:09 @ Flrunners
45. Marina Braynon-Moore, 10 - St. Thomas (43) 20:39 @ Mountain Dew
46. Erica Oosterhout, 9 - Plant (NR) 20:11 @ FSU Invite
47. Taylor Johnson, 11 - Hagerty (NR) 20:12 @ Flrunners
48. Kayla Miller, 11 - Sarasota Riverview (NR) 20:12 @ Land O Lakes
49. Zoe Volenec, 12 - Spruce Creek (37) 20:14 @ Flrunners
50. Alexis Valle, 12 - Varela (NR) 20:15 @ Flrunners
       
  Other girls to look for:    
51. Sarah Miller, 12 - Sarasota Riverview (55) 20:18 @ Land O Lakes
52. Kaley Dolye, 10 - Park Vista (NR) 20:19 @ Flrunners
53. Tiffany Gargiulo, 11 - Hagerty (40) 20:23 @ Flrunners
54. Shaylin Castro, 12 - Colonial (NR) 20:23 @ Great American
55. Cassie Ketchum, 9 - Boone (15) 20:25 @ Flrunners

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Boys State Rankings, by Classification:

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1A Boys Rankings

  By: Ray Romero, East Lee County HS, raycer131@aol.com

Team Rankings:

Commentary: After a big weekend of meets the rankings get shaken up a little bit with the Top 2 keeping their strangle hold on their spots. 5 NR teams have moved into the top 15 after the top 5 teams any of the next 10 can be interchanged. 6th has an AVG if 18:11 and 15th has an AVG of 18:39.  1A will be fun to watch at States and see what pack of 5 move up together. If PK Young stays healthy, the Dynamic Duo of Trinity's will be broken up for the first time Since 2006 when guess who, thats right PK Young split them up from the 1-2 spot with help from 1A State Champion and Runner's Up Micheal and Geoffrey Anderson. the next 2 weeks the teams seem bent on avoiding one another with TP going against the tops in the other divisions at PreState, and PK Young and Holy Trinity stayin close to home to gear up for the State series.  Good luck men this will be an interesting race to the top. Can PK Young do it again like in 2006?
 
  Team Name, Region (Prev.)  Comments:
1. Holy Trinity - 3 (1) 16:02 AVG and their top 7 in the top 20 of the 1A rankings, they are in the drivers seat
2 Trinity Prep - 2 (2) 16:29 AVG Great showing for 3rd at Flrunners and top 7 in the top 30 of the 1A rankings
3 P.K. Young School (4) 16:33 AVG and a solid top 5 if they stay healthy they will give TP all they can handle for a 2nd place trophy
4 Circle Christian - 2 (5) 17:10 AVG and a tight pack of 5 to crack the top three will be a challenge but their times are dropping
5 Maclay - 1 (3) 17:45 AVG IDLE this week if #4 & 5 step up they can close the gap on  Circle Christian for 4th
6 First Academy - 2 (9) 18:11 AVG making their way up the rankings with a 1-5 split of under 50s
7 St. John Neuman (8) 18:15 AVG almost identical team makeup as First Academy with a tighter 1-5 split of 42s
8 Mount Dora Bible (NR) 18:20 AVG if they want to moce up they will need to close their 1-5 split 2:28 is the worst in the rankings
9 McKeel Academy (NR) 18:22 AVG if their pack move up together they can jump 3 spots and knock down First Academy
10 Pensacola Christian - 1 (6) 18:29 AVG with only Carlson and Balentine under 18:30 they will need help to not drop further in the rankings
11 Bishop Snyder - 1 (10) 18:31 AVG with all 7 under 19 minutes they have a chance to move up in the rankings if they progress as a team
12 Westminster Academy - 4 (7) 18:34 AVG led by their only senior Fitzgibbon the young group has lots of room to grow
13 Seffner Christian Academy (NR) 18:23 AVG made the rankings this week in large part to Keenan and Lambert's great showing at Don Bishop
14 St. Stephens Episcopal School (NR) 18:43 AVG 1-5 Split of under 1 min will keep this team in the rankings the rest of the year
15 Community School of Naples (12) 18:39 AVG IDLE this week on a big week for the rest of the ranked teams
       
  Previously Ranked teams: Tampa Prep (11), North Florida Christian (13), Keswick Christian (14), and Shorecrest Prep (15)
 

Individual Rankings: 

Commentary: Daniel Moore picked up the gauntlet as no one is even close, with the only sub 15 performance in the State so far.  After watching Flrunners and how Westlake battled the Trinity Prep boys I think he is the front runner for 2nd place and his name immortalized in the annals of the FHSAA record book.  Gousse and Salas need to step up and push PKY back if they want to be on the podium again as a team.  With HT, TP, and PKY holding 16 of the 25 spots it is defnately a 3 team race.  That 3 team race will make the individuals race to the top more interesting as they will have to battle at practice to move up the list.  the next 2 weeks bring in Disney, Prestate and a slew of other meets for data against the top 25's from other divisions.  Good luck to you all.
 
  Athlete Name, Grade – Team (Prev.)  Time, Comments:
1. Daniel Moore,12 - Holy Trinity 1. 14:57 @ GAC New Course Record and State Leader 'Nuff Said
2. Garrett Westlake,11 - PKY 7. 15:39 @ Flrunners and a heads up win against Gousse moves him up fast
3. Ryan Gousse,12  -Trinity Prep 2. 15:42 @ Flrunners something tells me he is just going
4. Daniel Salas,11 - Trinity Prep 3. 16:02 @ Flrunners times are very consistant once he dips below 16 I think he will stay there
5. Mark Mutz,12 - Lakeland Chrisitan 4. 16:03 @ Flrunners dropping about 20s per race (not an easy task given the 1-5 split on his team)
6. Joey Castagnaro,12 - Holy Trinity 9. 16:17 @ GAC #3 for HT, he has the 2nd best track PR's for HT expect vertical movement on the list
7. Alex Brown,11 - Holy Trinity 5. 16:12 @ GAC #2 for HT, waiting for that breakout race into the 15's, once there look out top 5 
8. Tristan Kattenberg,11 - Holy Trinity 11. 16:08 @ FSU is an impressive PR, but needs to be more consistant against his own teamates
9. Jakin Foster,12 - Circle Christian 17. 16:25 @ Flrunners big step to make the top 10 and get a medal at State
10. Sam Goldberg,12 - Trinity Prep 8. 16:32 @ Flrunners needs to close the gap on his teamates to keep his medal and go for the team title
11. Jordan Brown,12 - PKY (NR) 16:16 @ Flrunner and coming out with a bang for his senior XC season, watch out top 10
12. Alex Hoffman,12 - Holy Trinity 6. 16:35 @ FSU will keep him in the running but dropping down the list due to some impressive times last week
13. Derek Bolser,11 - PKY 10. 16:41 @ Flrunners slips out of the top 10, needs to get back in it for his State medal and team trophy
14. Andrew Cacciatore,09 - Holy Trinity (NR) 16:43 @ GAC looks like another State Champion in the making for HT
15. Jordan Foster,11 - Circle Christian 13. 16:49 @ Flrunners the siblings foster keep battling one another they are 2-2 against one another
16. Travis Covert.11 - Maclay 12. 16:56 @ FSU and Idle this past week, but heads up he has the edge over those that ran fast this weekend
17. Cole Oliver,11 - Holy Trinity 18. 16:50 @ GAC #6 for HT and in the top 20 is not too shabby for the junior
18. Alex Montgomery,12 - CSN 14. 17:00 @ North Port and Idle this weekend, given the avg drop from N. Port to Flrunners and GAC could be higher
19. Blake Arnold,12 - Admiral Farragut 15. 16:55 @ Flrunners 
20 Troy Clark ,10 - MDB 23. 16:59 @ Flrunners top 10th grader in 1A look for him to improve as the season progresses
21. David Dolan,12 - PKY 20 17:03 @ Flrunners
22. Josh Keenan,11- Seffner Christian Academy (NR) 17:03 @ Don Bishop
23. Sam Millson,10 - Trinity Prep 21. 17:04 @ Flrunners
24. Scott Simpson,11 - Kings Academy 16. 17:06 @ Flrunners
25. Paul Reggentin,10 - Trinity Prep (NR) 17:05 @ Flrunners

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2A Boys Rankings

  By: Mike Becker, Ransom Everglades, mbecker@ransomeverglades.org

Team Rankings:

Commentary: Here we go back to where we were in week 1 with Bishop Kenny and Ransom Everglades at 1A and 1B, though this time reversed.  They are THAT close right now, and likely to be THAT close in November.  Kenny impresses with a 16 second gap winning at Bale n Trail.  Ransom has two runners with times in the top 5 among all AA runners, and has an improving gap including an 8th grader at 17:26.  Though Nature Coast did not run this past weekend, they and Immokalee are solid at 3 and 4.  Cocoa Beach showed improvement and moving up the ranks with a strong showing at FL Runners.  This ranking has still been tough with debatable courses ( Mitchell), muddy courses ( DeJa Vu) and a Dew Inviational with 500 runners that clearly skewed certain performances. On top of that last weekend was SAT saturday and some seniors clearly did not run ( presumably for that reason)
 
  Team Name (Prev.)  Comments:
1A Bishop Kenny (1) A 16 second gap with 5 runners under 17 minutes ( most with p.r.s).  Kenny has the front seat right now 
1B Ransom Everglades (3) With two runners rather than just Irigoyen among the elite, it will be interesting to see if and when rest of team closes the gap
3. Nature Coast (2) Very deep team with small  1-5 gap Had strong second place at Land O lakes.  No "top"  individual yet, but if entire group drops… look out 
4. Immokalee   Strong showing in FL Runners Race of Champions with two runners in top 15 times right now.  This team dropping times quickly
5. Cocoa Beach    A 22nd second gap completes a strong showing in varsity race at FL Runners
6. Robinson   Strong showing wit out number one man Sharp running this weekend
7. Pensacola Catholic   Still has 4 sub 18:00 runners
8. Berkeley Prep   Strong race at Great American… very solid at 1 and 2 runenrs… watch this team… they probably should be higher but have been beaten head to head by others on list to date
9. Bolles   Big improvement at Bale n Trail ….. 4 runners under 18:00
10. Astronaut   This team has 4 fast harriers… dominated division at FL Runners. Any 5th coming?  If so they will be higher up this list 
11. Marianna (NR) Ran with only 5 runners at Bale n Trail
12. Lake Nona (NR) Improving quickly
13. Lincoln Park   Finally opened up, this team will improve
14. Rockledge   Hickey leads the way
15. Eastside   Looking they are on track for first state birth
 

Individual Rankings: 

Commentary: Now that there are over 30 runners under 17:00 , it is apparent that the depth in this state division is improving dramatically.  Along with that depth, comes the difficulty of assessing the legitimacy of courses like Mitchell, Deja Vu ( mud), and a ridiculosuly overcrowded Mountain Dew race where 500 runners were trampling one another.  There have also been few head to head matchups among the top individuals.  And despite FL Runners' attempt to rate courses and legitimize times, I am an old timer, ands believe that  XC is a sport of head to head match  ups rather than  times.  Nonetheless, here is my best attempt to sort out the  top 25.  Do not be offended if you think I missed someone.  Let me know and I will watch closely over the middle of the season.   
 
  Athlete Name – Team    Time, Comments:
1. Argishti Gazari - Anclote   With his only blip occurring in a 500 man field at Mountain Dew, Gazari is undefeated at 3 other inviatationals.  He and Irigoyen are very close or so it  it appears
2. Bert Irigoyen - Ransom Everglades   Irigoyen wins Ferguson Invite... then puts out top AA time in state…. but is yet to hit his stride
3. Brian Sharp - Robinson   Didn’t run this weekend, but is the closest to challenger to the "big two"
4. Alex Kerrigan- Pensacola Catholic   Has consistently been in mid 16s for 3 big meets
5. Matthew Harford - Episcopal   Big p.r. race  at Fl Runners
6. Billy Scola - Ransom Everglades   Sub 16:30 at FSU and FL Runners… ready to challenge the top 5 with one more breakthrough
7. Jean Deceus - Immokalee   Another solid race at Fl Runners ROC
8. Lionel DeLa Cruz - Immokalee   Actually beat Deceus last week could be the faster of this duo
9. Dillon Hodge-  Pedro Menendez   No results on Direct Athletcs but appears to be lurking as a top challenger.Won St Aug meet going 400 meters off course.  Track Times predict he is "up there" 
10. Alex Main - Berkeley Prep   Big race at Great American
11. Michael Barr - Bishop Kenny   Number one runner of a close pack
12. Patrick Maher - Bisphop Kenny    Right behind  Barr
13. Nick Palermo - North Broward Prep   Seems to hitting stride… strong race at FL Runners  stil a sleeping ginat with a 15:49 p.r.
14. Taylor Hickey - Rockledge   16:37 at Fl Runners
15. Shaun Majumdar - Berkeley Prep   Strong at Great American
16. Miguel Casiano Lehigh   16:37 at North Port early on
17. Jims Thimogene  - American Heritage   Fast times on slow courses
18. Alec Clark - West Florida Tech   Strong at FSU
19. Cecil Vignutti - Bisphop Kenny    Separating Kenny guys is very hard just as it will be hard to separate in a race, only seconds back of Barr
20 David Yarbrough - Bisjop kenny   Ditto
21. Tim O'laughlin- Jesuit   P.R.ed at Land o Lakes… could be a lot higher than this
22. Nick Papa - Lake Highland Prep   Is defending region champion….. still
23. Stanley Linton - Wakulla   Strong at FSU… watch this one I have been told
24. Chris Sorrick - Anclote   Has run two strong races  could be higher than this
25. Cody Van Natter- Nature Coast   First of a very close team pack
26 Austin Cox- Lincoln Park   Finally opened up

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3A Boys Rankings

  By: Carl Egbert, Barron Collier HS, carlegbert@yahoo.com
 

Team Rankings:

Commentary: We had some great racing the last 2 weekends with UF, FSU, NorthPort,FlRunners, Bail n Trail and Great American. Belen Jesuit took it to another level at FlRunners placing 4 runners under 16:00 minutes and dominating everyone like they did the week before at UF. FWB appears to be the second best team in 3A and then it gets complicated as Bartram Trail, BTW and Chiles take turns knocking each other off week to week. Things just got a bit tighter down south as Naples finally gets the best of Estero and Ft Myers is lurking. That will be some region meet in a few weeks as you have Gates, Rojas , Miranda Pelletier , Brown and Shearman all running real well right now. I throw myself at the mercy of the court this week as my wife and I just had our first child this past Thursday. I did the best I could but with daddy doodies I have not slept in a week. I promise to be better in the weeks to come. So be gentle if I overlooked someone. 
 
  Team Name, Region    Comments:
1. Belen Jesuit - 4   4 under 16:00 @ Fl Runners just dominating the field makes them best in the state
2. Fort Walton Beach - 1   16:22 team avg winning at Gulf Coast Stampede
3. Bartram Trail - 1   3rd @ Bail n Trail beat Pensacola Washington with 16:48 team avg
4. Pensacola Washington - 1   5th at FSU with a 16:41 team average
5. Chiles-1   7th @ FSU with a 16:52 team average
6. Naples - 3   8th in ROC with 16:46 avg beating Estero. Getting healthy finally and will be tough in November
7. Estero - 3   9th in ROC with a 16:44 avg. Still has not had everyone click on same day
8. Fort Myers - 3   Coach Palmer elects for Invite Race at Fl Runners and comes out of top with 16:58 team avg
9. Wiregrass Ranch-2   Takes Land O Lakes title with 17:05 avg . Was 9th @ FSU with 17:04 avg
10. Leon-1   11th @ FSU with 17:17 avg and 6th @ Bale n Trail with 17:03 avg
11. Sarasota-2   3rd @ NorthPort with 17:19 avg and 19th in ROC with 17:15 avg
12. Steinbrenner - 2   7th @ UF with 17:35 avg
13. Stanton Prep - 1   7th @ Bail n Trail with 17:15 avg
14. Palmetto Ridge - 3   Two low numbers makes them tough in bigger meets.17:28 - 17:55 for runners 3-5
15. Chamberlin - 2   11th @ UF with 17:35 avg and 6th in Invite @ FlRunners without del Monte 
 

Individual Rankings: 

Commentary: Elliot showed once again the last 2 weeks he is tops in Florida but has seen the gap shrink. Carlos Miranda announced his presence with authority with a spectacular 15:22 at Fl Runners. The always game Rojas from Estero stepped up big with a 15:31 and Herbert Gates finally realized he belongs with the Florida elite and showed it with a 15:40 clocking. Thomas Howell was a worthy challenger to Daniel Moore at FSU and runs 15:44 winning at Gulf Coast Stampede.  Pre States is the next check point for most teams and will paint a clearer picture heading into November.
 
  Athlete Name, Grade – Team    Time, Comments:
1. Elliot Clemente,12 - Belen Jesuit   15:26 win at UF and a 15:14 2nd place @ FL Runners makes him top dawg
2. Carlos Miranda,11 - Palmetto Ridge   Coming out party at FL Runners with 15:22. Kid is a gamer and will be in hunt
3. Thomas Howell, 10 - Niceville HS   Super Soph just runs fast and wins. 15:45@FSU for 2nd and 15:44 @ GCS
4. Quincy O'Connor, 12 - Celebration   Huge 3rd place run @ UF in 15:53
5. Aaron Rojas,12 - Estero   Always in the mix. 15:58 for 4th @ UF and 15:31 for 4th @ FlRunners
6. Herbert Gates , 11 - Naples   Herbie is full of confindence after monster 15:40 @ FL Runners
7. Max del Monte,12 - Chamberlin   Sleeping giant should begin to roll very soon. 15:58 @ Fl Runners
8. Mac Reynolds, Nease HS   15:39 winning at Bale n Trail
9. Avery Lopez , 11- Belen Jesuit   Great wingman to Elliot running 16:12 @ UF and 15:42 @ FlRunners
10. Michael Magoulas , 10 - Belen Jesuit   15:48 @ Fl Runners is huge for a soph and only makes him Belens 3rd man!
11. Francisco Tejidor, 12 - Belen jesuit   15:58@ Flrunners making 4 under 16 for Jesuit is Redonkulous
12. Josh Pelletier, 12 - Palmetto Ridge   16:10 @ Fl Runners but was sick and will be tough in November
13. Nicholas Morken, 10 - Niceville Hs   16;01 @ FSU makes a great training partner for Howell
14. Ace Brown , 11 - Fort Myers   Huge run at Fl Runners going 16:07
15. Jacob Kotick , 12 - BTW   Rounding into shape with a 16:10 and 16:08 last 2 weeks
16. David Drumm, 12 - Matanzas   16:07 at FSU and 16:31 at Bale n Trail
17. Tim Bulger, 11 - Fort Walton Beach   16:11 @ Gulf Coast Stampede
18. Christian Taylor Buzzrard, 12 - Chiles   16:11 @ Jesse Owens and by far the best name in 3A
19. Courtland Bernard, 11 - Sarasota   16:18 on a hot and humid morning at NorthPort
20 Charlie Shackelford, 10 - Fort Walton Beach   16:19 @ FSU
21. Alan Wise, 12 - Ida Baker   16:20 @ Land O Lakes
22. Travis Nichols, 10 - Land O Lakes   16:21 @ Land o Lakes
23. Joe Guidry, 9 - Fort Walton Beach   16:23 @ Gulf Coast Stampede
24. Luke Baldwin, 9 - BTW   16:23 @ FSU
25. Peter Jude, 12 - Belen Jesuit   16:25 @ Fl runners

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4A Boys Rankings

  By: Jorge Fleitas, Christopher Columbus HS, jfleitas@columbushs.com

Team Rankings:

  Team Name (Prev.)  Comments:
1. Colonial (1) Undefeated in 4A!!! It is clear that even if you run well (like Olympia did) and come close, it just isn't going to be enough to beat Colonial.
2. Columbus (2) UF seemed like a perfect chance for the Hellions to take the # 1 spot, but they fell short to Colonial by 5 pts. Look for the Hellions to have a breakout race come Pre-State.
3. Olympia (6) Olympia has a legit shot to stun the State and pull off the 4A State Title but Pre-State will be a true test for this Squad.
4. HB Plant (4) No one seems to have noticed, but HB Plant had an amazing win at Flrunners with a 16:38 Team Average
5. St. Thomas (3) They have yet to put together a complete race from #1-5 but when they do, watch out St. Thomas is still my sleeper for 2011. 
6. Spruce Creek (8) It is time to believe in the Creek a 16:49 Team average can even set them up for a top 5 finish come November
7. John I Leonard (7) As a team they are continuing to improve and Anderson Charles continues to finish at the top of every race.
8. Winter Park (5) The Park still has a lot of fight in them and more specifically Billy Anguish, he was impressive this weekend at Flrunners.
9. Park Vista (NR) Half way into the season, and Park Vista has made some strides in the right direction lead by Ryan White.
10. Sunset (15) Sunset is continuing to prove they are a solid team that can finish top 10 come November.
11. Hagerty (10)  
12. Seminole (12)  
13. Mandarin  (13)  
14. John A Ferguson (11)  
15. Vero Beach (9)  
 

Individual Rankings: 

  Athlete Name – Team (Prev.)  Comments:
1. Andres Arroyo - Colonial (1)  
2. Chris Godwin - Buchholz (2)  
3. Billy Anguish - Winter Park (4)  
4. Mitchell Moore - Olympia (5)  
5. Logan Kruse - Dr. Phillips (3) Injured but will be a top 5 finisher  in November
6. Michael Babinec- Riverview (17)  
7. Thomas Christenberry - HB Plant (6)  
8. Anderson Charles - John I Leonard (7)  
9. Otniel Teixeira - Lake Brantley (8)  
10. Daniel Dey - Olympia (9)  
11. Danny Fernandez - Christopher Columbus (10)  
12. Manny Garcia - Christopher Columbus (11)  
13. Ryan White - Park Vista (NR)  
14. Peter Lacari - Hagerty (23)  
15. Kenny Castro - Christopher Columbus (13)  
16. Cody Decker- Colonial (12)  
17. John Lindsey - Winter Park (21)  
18. Kurt Convey- Coral Reef (15)  
19. John Profitt - Colonial (18)  
20 Nick Lehman- Olympia (NR)  
21. Brennan Schmick- Cypress Creek (NR)  
22. Curtis Foulsham - HB Plant (NR)  
23. Edward Romero- Flanagan (22)  
24. Kyler Kathman- Spruce Creek (14)  
25. Keneth Peneiro- Deland HS (25)  

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Please remember that all of these rankings are done by volunteers and are meant to increase the overall enjoyment of the sport for athletes, coaches, parents, and fans. They are just for fun and should not have a lot of weight put on them. But if you have issues (such as a missed athlete or team), please email the individual pollster for your classification and gender, or direct any major concerns towards the State Rankings Representative: Coach Ryan Raposo- rraposo@dadeschools.net

 

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  • CoachRaposo / 3 Years Ago
    A couple of things to note...

    1) Thank you to Coach Ray Romero for stepping up to help fill the 1A Boys slot. It's a huge help. He's there now because...

    2) Coach Carl Egbert jumped into the 3A Boys vacancy. And thank you for putting it all together while having a baby this past week, Coach! Congrats!

    3) Anyone running Internet Explorer 8, should get a different web-browser! Haha! A couple of people have told me that the commentary sections are "cut-off" but this problem is only happening in IE.

    Now for those of you at the mercy of your school district, you need to scroll back on the page to resize the text and everything should read just fine. If there are any other issues, let me know!
  • CoachJanson / 3 Years Ago
    Looks like 4A region 1 on the boys side is definitely back to being the "Region of Death",but who will be left out of the dance?
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @CoachRaposo Ryan, it's not a browser issue. It is screen resolution. Your tables are 850 pixels wide. However, if someone is viewing the site with a 1024 (or similar) wide resolution then the available space for the body of the article is going to be less than that. I would recommend that it be no wider than 620 pixels... or better yet just set the table width to 100% so that it expands to fill the available space
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @CoachRaposo There... I fixed it to 100%
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @CoachRaposo

    I think there are misconceptions every year about how "fast" flrunners is relative to other courses. I think Great American runs every bit as fast as flrunners. Little Everglades also runs about equivalent (Prestate ran 10 seconds faster on avg for top half last year fl.milesplit.com/meets/60382/compare/72787 which is about nil when you take into consideration two weeks of improvement). And, Ryan, I see in your comments you making an adjustment between flrunners and FSU by 30 seconds. 30 seconds? Not even close. I remember comparing the two last year and they were both VERY close... and the same is true this year:

    This year (fl.milesplit.com/meets/86836/compare/87259) the comparison shows flrunners about 5 seconds faster.

    Last year (fl.milesplit.com/meets/60382/compare/65818) actually showed FSU ran 5 seconds faster.

    This is comparing athletes who ran both.

    Not upset about it or anything, just wanted to make that observation.

    Thank you for your time.
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    And because I am the very curious stat junkie... since we can't compare flrunners to Great American (since they're on the same weekend and have no overlapping athletes)... we can compare flrunners to prestate and great american to prestate.

    As I previously showed... Prestate ran about 10 seconds faster last year than flrunners. Well (on a smaller sample size) Prestate last year ran 11 seconds faster than Great American (fl.milesplit.com/meets/72787/compare/60383). So just saying... all three roughly equivalent when you look at the two week improvement between the two. And FSU runs roughly equivalent as well.
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    And UF ran very very slow relatively speaking (perhaps exagerated by some degree to the large fields and false starts)...

    fl.milesplit.com/meets/86836/compare/91445
  • coachbutler / 3 Years Ago
    Have you been to Wake Med Soccer Complex, Great American Course?
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @coachbutler No, sir, just looking at what the numbers say.
  • coachbutler / 3 Years Ago
    I would check past numbers and see if any kid has a pr standing from Great American. I know I dont. Daniel Moores Outlying time was due to 1, 51 degree day, 2, 4:03 miler 3, Grace of God. The rest of my kids times were nothing to write home about.
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @coachbutler

    Hey you certainly can't argue with the fact that he had a fantastic performance. My main point was to say I think Ryan is under-weighting his team when he says there is a 30 second subtraction from FSU to put Plant equal weight with his girls.

    And, as I observed above, last year 43 guys ran both Great American and Prestate (two weeks apart). And they ran on average 11-12 seconds faster at Prestate.

    fl.milesplit.com/meets/72787/compare/60383

    So I'd imagine by season's end most of those PRs were wiped out, yes. (especially after Foot Locker South and typical peak season progression)
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @coachbutler For further comparison... GAXC to FSU...

    Only 14 athletes ran both (not as much as I'd like for a solid statistical analysis). I think the best number to look at is the middle 80% number here since it throws out the extremes. And it shows Great American ran just 3 seconds faster for those 11 kids than FSU.

    fl.milesplit.com/meets/87259/compare/95611
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @coachbutler And because I am obsessive... it looks like you had a total of two personal bests that stood after last season from Great American. Both from your JV squad. So you are pretty much correct there.

    fl.milesplit.com/teams/HT/performances/2010/cc
  • CoachRaposo / 3 Years Ago
    jason
    Ryan, it's not a browser issue. It is MAGIC. There... I fixed it to 100%


    @jason Yay!

    jason
    And, Ryan, I see in your comments you making an adjustment between flrunners and FSU by 30 seconds. 30 seconds? Not even close. I remember comparing the two last year and they were both VERY close... and the same is true this year.


    @jason All I know is that I have wheeled Chain of Lakes and that Coach Braman and I agree on how to measure a cross country course. Having said that, it's not an unreasonable justification for the adjustment difference between the courses.


    LOL @ Chain of Lakes vs. Larry & Penny.
    fl.milesplit.com/meets/94004/compare/86836/hs/f/5000m

    jason
    My main point was to say I think Ryan is under-weighting his team when he says there is a 30 second subtraction from FSU to put Plant equal weight with his girls.


    @jason Estero and Plant handily beat Ferguson at Deja Vu, while Ferguson has a slight edge over Lakewood Ranch. Fast-forward to Flrunners and Estero (again) handily beats Ferguson, while Ferguson (again) has a slight edge over Lakewood Ranch. To think that Plant had a fluke race at Deja Vu would be foolish, or one would have to assume that either FSU is slower than Flrunners (for the reason I mentioned above) or that Plant was training through FSU, which is a possibility as well. Just some basic logic.

    Having explained all of that, that is why I have Ferguson and Plant all tied up.
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    CoachRaposo
    All I know is that I have wheeled Chain of Lakes and that Coach Braman and I agree on how to measure a cross country course. Having said that, it's not an unreasonable justification for the adjustment difference between the courses.


    @CoachRaposo You know what they say about assuming. I see multiple assumptions here. I try to operate only on what can be proven. As I mentioned to you in an email though, I asked our crew to add a little distance to Chain of Lakes this year for the Raposo factor and given more clarification from NFHS. The start was backed up a bit since you didn't notice. Brickell would have been sub 15 last year, just sayin.

    PS -- Luv ya, Raposo. And Ferguson girls are #1 right now in the 4A in my book.
  • bwilson / 3 Years Ago
    Jason, though backing up the start just to make fend off any comments about flrunners being a "short" course might have sounded like a good idea, I would probably trust Ryan's wheel and the other numerous times the course has been measured as your mark. Truthfully, I imagine the 30 degree weather difference from Friday to Saturday would have skewed your database more than the few feet you may have backed up the start. Again, I would go back and look at USA Triathlon's solution to ranking athletes which would then allow you to better evaluate an athletes performance on a given day. You would have been immediately able to compare any performance in the Great American to Flrunners Saturday or Friday races, Bale-n-Trail or Gulf Coast CC Stampede and it wouldn't matter how long, how hilly, how hot just how you raced the competition in your race (although it is always fun to argue whose the best or who had the better race) Again, the athletes times would still be in their profile and results but the ranking system would be based more on how they raced the course and individuals in that race, than the somewhat subjective basis on which they are ranked now which is on time regardless of conditions and whether the course was accurately measured.
  • KBrnnr / 3 Years Ago
    @jason If you put the level of competition that was at Great American and the weather they had on the flrunners course, you would see Chain of Lakes is about 10-15 seconds faster than Wake Med Park. The competition up front wasn't as tough at flrunners this year and it was about 15 degrees warmer than Cary, NC.



    So you are right, they do appear close if you compare stats, but the 2 outliers that are not being taken into account are weather and competition, which level the courses more than they really are.
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @KBrnnr

    Sounds good. And strong argument. So let me follow the logic...

    You are saying that GAXC is harder than Chain of Lakes. And that all things being equal (competition, weather, etc) you would expect that flrunners would run 10-15 seconds faster than GAXC. Fair enough. But that they are appearing about dead even because of the weather/competition factor... since the 15 degree cooler and competition made GAXC run faster.

    So then... in theory... if flrunners was 15 degree cooler and had the same competition as GAXC then the times would have been 10-15 seconds faster at flrunners. And vice versa... if the weather was 15 degrees hotter and competition a bit lighter at GAXC then the times would be 10-15 seconds slower.

    Correct? Just following the logic.

    But... bottom line is... taking INTO consideration the reality of course+competition+weather they are coming out equal. That is the main point. Trying to get a basis for comparison. Not making a judgement on length or true difficulty or anything else. Just a factor to compare by... and that is coming out about even.
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @bwilson I think the science of trying to compare courses and make calculations and judgements based on various factors (both subjective and scientific) is fun and makes things interesting. I try to grab on to as many measurable (and repeatable) things as possible... and would love to start adding more scientific data points and adjustment factors as possible. Hopefully at some point we'll have even better types of formulas, factors, ratios, and adjustments and have a weather database... and can start to run these kind of numbers. Love to continue that conversation in another thread. Very open to ideas.

    As far as the start... we backed it up about 10-15 meters. That is why (if you noticed) the Nike tent last yer as at a 45 degree angle against the corner of the dirt hill. And this year they were pushed off to the side of it.
  • KBrnnr / 3 Years Ago
    jason
    @KBrnnr

    Sounds good. And strong argument. So let me follow the logic...

    You are saying that GAXC is harder than Chain of Lakes. And that all things being equal (competition, weather, etc) you would expect that flrunners would run 10-15 seconds faster than GAXC. Fair enough. But that they are appearing about dead even because of the weather/competition factor... since the 15 degree cooler and competition made GAXC run faster.

    So then... in theory... if flrunners was 15 degree cooler and had the same competition as GAXC then the times would have been 10-15 seconds faster at flrunners. And vice versa... if the weather was 15 degrees hotter and competition a bit lighter at GAXC then the times would be 10-15 seconds slower.

    Correct? Just following the logic.




    @jason Correct. I would say this year they ran closer to even than previous years. I believe the temp in Cary was a little lower this year and the competition was a bit better. Last year TP won it and those same times would have put that team about 3rd or 4th this year.


    I would also note that the weather was very nice for the ROC at flrunners. It was not so nice for Friday's races or the latter races on Saturday. Frankly, it was REALLY hot and humid on Friday. Next year can we order AC?
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    @KBrnnr Good stuff. Think we are in agreement. I love stats!

    Top 100 Boys Average Time

    FLRUNNERS
    2010 - 16:23.75
    2011 - 16:28.57

    GREAT AMERICAN
    2010 - 15:59.56
    2011 - 16:03.30

    Top 100 Girls Average Time

    FLRUNNERS
    2010 - 19:23.06
    2011 - 19:36.97

    GREAT AMERICAN
    2010 - 18:57.50
    2011 - 18:54.39

    At FLR the slightly longer distance would have slowed it down a few seconds, but cooler temps on Saturday canceled some or all of that out. So the field was slightly weaker at this year's meet. Hopefully can change that next year.
  • bwilson / 3 Years Ago
    Jason, be careful with your stats. If you are averaging in Friday and Saturday results, remember there was a huge weather difference this year between Friday night and Saturday morning (93 degrees at race time Friday as opposed to 60 degrees on Saturday) so even though Saturday's cooler results will skew the data down...Friday's will skew it back up some. You might look at Friday this year against Friday last year and Saturday this year and Saturday last year.
  • BConvey / 3 Years Ago
    Just throwing in my two cents. I attended FLRunners last year and this year. My impression-- by the time the boys ran the ROC, the course was 5-10 seconds slower than in prior years. I don't think it was 60 degrees (or any cooler than the year before) when the boys ran, and the wind had come up decidedly, which combined with a relatively quick first mile made the second mile really tough. Add in 10-15 extra yards, and voila, 5-10 seconds slower. Also, there was PLENTY of competition in the ROC through the 2 mile mark.

    As for Great American, I haven't been there. Nothing I have seen in the video indicates it should be a slow course. I have a hard time believing the course is much slower than FLRunners or Little Everglades. Weather and surface conditions can have an enormous impact on performance. I think Little-Everglades was considered a "slow" course until last year when tons of people PR'd on it with perfect weather at Pre-State and then again at State Meet. Don't believe me? Just look at this year's Boston Marathon results, Boston was considered a "slow" course.

    I won't be surprised if all of these guys run faster at Footlocker, but I doubt CLemente, Moore and Brickell will be seperated by much.
  • coachbutler / 3 Years Ago
    Jason: Are you thinking that Great American course is faster because the ave time for top 100 is faster than at flrunners? Do you think the level of Comp might be a litte tougher in Cary? Just curious what you meant by those numbers?
  • KBrnnr / 3 Years Ago
    BConvey
    Also, there was PLENTY of competition in the ROC through the 2 mile mark.


    Nobody said there wasn't good competition in the ROC. We just said that there was MORE/BETTER competition at Great American. That is a fact. HT was 6th at GA and would have been 2nd at FLrunners.


    BConvey

    As for Great American, I haven't been there. Nothing I have seen in the video indicates it should be a slow course. I have a hard time believing the course is much slower than FLRunners or Little Everglades. Weather and surface conditions can have an enormous impact on performance. I think Little-Everglades was considered a "slow" course until last year when tons of people PR'd on it with perfect weather at Pre-State and then again at State Meet. Don't believe me? Just look at this year's Boston Marathon results, Boston was considered a "slow" course.



    @BConvey Again, nobody said Great American was a "slow" course. We said it was a tougher course than Flrunners. I have been to both courses. GA has a hill that is about 300 meters long that you traverse twice. It also has rolling hills in the back wooded section of the course. The packed dirt, 400 meter downhill start, and cool temperatures off set this a lot but not enough to make it as fast as FLrunners. You put the same teams from GA on FLrunners course this year and no doubt Moore and Burcham would have been low/sub 14:50.




    And Boston is a slow course!! One year of having 20-30mph tailwinds does not change this fact!!
  • coachbutler / 3 Years Ago
    Actually the hill is closer to 650 meters in length, runners go up it at the 1 mile mark and 2.5 mile mark. To compare these to courses is laughable.
  • jason / 3 Years Ago
    coachbutler
    Jason: Are you thinking that Great American course is faster because the ave time for top 100 is faster than at flrunners? Do you think the level of Comp might be a litte tougher in Cary? Just curious what you meant by those numbers?


    @coachbutler Actually I am mostly agreeing with everything Kyle said... although I think he just contradicted himself ever so slightly with his last post.

    Point being great american was more competitive than flrunners. (Which you'd agreee with) and illustrating kyles point that flrunners was slightly less competitive this year than last.

    That's all.
  • jarodhoffman / 3 Years Ago
    Just a kid and all... but I ran at Flrunners for the first time this year on Friday... and I'll tell you, that 90+ degree weather was horrid. I ran over a minute slower than I expected to, whereas a few guys I know from Circle Christian had 30+ second PR's, despite us being about even athletically. I'm sure all you folks already get that, but that weather from Friday to Saturday made a huge difference.
  • xcrunner523 / 3 Years Ago
    My personal opinion - Wakemed Soccer Park is comparable to Little Everglades. I have run several PR's at Wakemed. It does have a significant hill, but the net elevation change is zero. There are plenty of downhills to counter the uphill. This is not to discount Holy Trinity's performance in any way, just my personal experience with the courses.
  • 57BelAir / 3 Years Ago
    @KBrnnr No, Trinity Prep's 2010 times would have won the 2011 ROC with 106 points.
  • BSCM / 3 Years Ago
    As a runner who has ran flrunners for 3 years, ran Little Everglades 3 times, and ran Great American this year I can honestly say that the last 700 meter hill coming into the finish at Great American is uncomparable to anything in Florida besides the Mt. Dora race (which I have also raced 3 times). The hill at Little Everglades is a little shorter and definitely not as steep as GAXC and especially the second time you voyage up the hill with the wind hitting you dead on, it becomes torture on your legs when you are going sub 5 minute mile speeds. The only reason myself and many others from Florida faired so well at GAXC was because of the crazy competition and for some people in the back of the pack it was the fear of coming in last place (which was 18:17). I can't talk for other Florida runners that went to the meet this year but I'm not so sure that 10 degrees made a whole lot of difference especially after having spend the last two months in particular acclomating to the Florida heat only to run in unfamiliar conditions. The real reason why I ran faster in this race than I would have at flrunners is because I was forced to run harder by the competition around me in order to pick up a respectable place and points for my team so my training was able to kick in better. Now if that was true for the ammount of competition at flrunners this year then I still think we might have seen a new course record even if it was 10-15 meters longer. As for now only time will tell if the runners who ran at GAXC are able to preform better at Prestate than the people with comparable times at flrunners.
  • BConvey / 3 Years Ago
    @coachbutler

    With all due respect, it isn't laughable. Times at Little Everglades with its "hill" have compared pretty evenly with FLRunners/Chain of Lakes recently. Several of Florida's best runners have FASTER PR's at Great American than at Little Everglades (Atkinson, Del Valle from the last 2 years). Moreover, MOST Floridian's have run faster at McAlpine with it's more substantial hill than at at either Chain of Lakes or Little Everglades. Point being, just because a course has a "Hill" doesn't make it a significantly slower course. I'll take a hill or two and perfect weather over poor/soft footing and heat and humid any day. Case in point, Larry and Penny Thompson park is flat as a pancake, but its a good 30 seconds slower than any of the courses mentioned.
  • KBrnnr / 3 Years Ago
    BConvey
    @coachbutler
    Moreover, MOST Floridian's have run faster at McAlpine with it's more substantial hill than at at either Chain of Lakes or Little Everglades.


    @BConvey That's a bad example considering McAlpine is pretty close to 3 miles. Everyone knows or should now know that that course has always been short.
  • BConvey / 3 Years Ago
    KBrnnr
    BConvey@coachbutler
    Moreover, MOST Floridian's have run faster at McAlpine with it's more substantial hill than at at either Chain of Lakes or Little Everglades.

    @BConvey That's a bad example considering McAlpine is pretty close to 3 miles. Everyone knows or should now know that that course has always been short.


    @KBrnnr

    LOL, not when I ran it 29 years ago! Seriously, the course is not the same after the 1.5 mark as when I ran it. What are you basing the short distance on? I realize it has become a faster course over the years, but I don't know the reason. Also, if its closer to 3 miles do you think Daniel will go sub 14:30 there?
  • KBrnnr / 3 Years Ago
    BConvey
    KBrnnrBConvey@coachbutler
    Moreover, MOST Floridian's have run faster at McAlpine with it's more substantial hill than at at either Chain of Lakes or Little Everglades.

    @BConvey That's a bad example considering McAlpine is pretty close to 3 miles. Everyone knows or should now know that that course has always been short.

    @KBrnnr

    LOL, not when I ran it 29 years ago! Seriously, the course is not the same after the 1.5 mark as when I ran it. What are you basing the short distance on? I realize it has become a faster course over the years, but I don't know the reason. Also, if its closer to 3 miles do you think Daniel will go sub 14:30 there?


    @BConvey Meet director telling me it is, measuring it with a gps, measuring it with a wheel....The list goes on. And no, I do not think Daniel will go sub 14:30 there. I would even go as far as to say he wont make the start line
  • BConvey / 3 Years Ago
    @KBrnnr

    Lol, so HT is going to Nike? Best of luck to them and to Daniel. I wonder what Belen will do? I know Elliot has stated he wants to go back to Footlocker, but I think they are better than the Columbus team of 2 years ago that went to Nike Nationals.

    And I was being serious about Footlocker not being the same course as when I ran it, the course does not follow the same routing when it gets to the lake as when I ran it. The current layout is far more spectator friendly as a result of the change but from what you are telling me it is probably shorter too.
  • cnick / 3 Years Ago
    @BConvey The starting line at McAlpine was moved in 2001. It's short. The 1 hill on the course isn't much of a challenge either unless you run the first mile like...well an idiot.

    Wake Med is pretty quick if the weather cooperates. The first half mile is downhill and the crushed gravel provides such good footing that you could wear road flats. It's very comparable to Little Everglades and the new FSU course if you run smart. I think we'll see the HTA kid throw down a similar time at state.
  • MileStat / 3 Years Ago
    I know from a Virginia perspective that the Great American/NXN Southeast regional course is becoming one of the fastest 5K courses that runners and teams from my state run on for a major race (invitational or championship meets). The surface, downhills, as well as a decent section of shaded trail running are ideal to roll on. That hill isn't that bad and pretty gradual. Big time drops across the board for the teams from Virginia last weekend that went to Great American compared to other courses they have raced on this season and will likely have a tough time bettering in the coming weeks. It would be interesting to see if the NXN regional ever was able to attract more runners outside of the championship race like the class races at Foot Locker South to give a more larger sample pool size to compare times to McAlpine at that time of the year.

    If I had taken my team to either Great American or flrunners last weekend, I think my team would have ran faster at Great American because the weather would have been more ideal for racing and the start is more ideal to get out quick in the first mile at WakeMed. Will be interesting to see what times my team runs at Disney (couldn't travel to flrunners last weekend cause of homecoming) this weekend...seems to run slow in comparison to other major meet courses in the state. At least a break from hills.
  • deanheadley / 3 Years Ago
    To the comment "Nothing I have seen in the video indicates [GAXC] should be a slow course", Bob and I got video and it might be what you are referring to. I was only able to get the start (slight downhil and very fast), the 1 mile mark, and the 3 mile mark (the end of a moderate(?) climb. No idea how the course's terrain comes across in video but it all adds to the fun of this discussion. I love the number crunching, the debates, the first had experiences, the "Back in the day" stuff. All good stuff. Let's keep the athletes in mind. They are all winners and as you can see, some are pretty good at expressing their thoughts on this post. I'm impressed.
  • rubberduck / 3 Years Ago
    Mike,

    The Episcopal runner that ran a 16:26 at flrunners last Friday was "Matthew Harwood" not "Matthew Harford".
  • jdpsu / 3 Years Ago
    Any Kamal Koroso sightings this year?
  • pwoods / 3 Years Ago
    When will the lastest times be posted? I think there will be more changes. :0)
  • aholmes80 / 3 Years Ago
    Wednesday morning